FrameMaker under Wine, CrossOver Office and VMWare

Oleg Paraschenko

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Revision 1.11 Dec 2003
Added section “Why not Windows 98?
Revision 1.02 Nov 2003
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Abstract

Adobe abandoned Linux support, but there is increasing demand for running FrameMaker under Linux. This problem is regularly questioned in mailing lists. On this page I archived of one of such thread, in which Wine, CrossOver Office and VMWare are mentioned. Also, I shared real world experience with running Frame on a Linux box with VMWare.


Table of Contents

hedley_finger
David O'Brien
Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
Martin Polley
Martin Polley
Oleg Paraschenko
Thomas Gier
larry.kollar
Allen Schaaf
Oleg A. Paraschenko
Why not Windows 98?

hedley_finger

From: hedley_finger@...
To: framers@...
Subject: Running FrameMaker on WINE or CrossOver Office on Linux
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 09:30:08 +1000

All:

Has anybody tried running FrameMaker on WINE or CrossOver Office? These are both Windows API emulators running on Linux that make applications think they are running in Windows.

I would like to switch my current home computer, a PowerMac 7300/200, to an Intel or AMD computer running Linux. Trouble is, I would need to dual boot Windows and Linux so I can continue to run FrameMaker. Unfortunately, Linux cannot yet write to an NTFS (NT File System) partition, so I would be faced with rebooting all the time to switch between Linux and Windows.

You can run Windows apps on Linux via Win4Lin which supports a real Windows 98 SE running on top of Linux, thus allowing you to stay in Linux all the time, and allowing both Linux and Windows apps access to ALL folders and files. WINE and CrossOver support Microsoft Office and some other apps such as Photoshop, but not all.

So I though I would save some expensive experimentation by asking if any of the good-looking, wise, and intelligent people on these lists had tried it first ... And if plugins such as IXgen, Enhance, and FrameScript were also supported, so much the better.

[Windows XP Pro, FrameMaker 7.0p578, FrameScript 2.1r3, Enhance 2.04, Acrobat 5.05, mif2go 33u34, WebWorks Publisher 7.05, IXgen 7.2p055, HTML Help Workshop 4.74 build 8702.0, HTML Help 1.31]

Regards,
Hedley

David O'Brien

From: "David O'Brien" <OBrien_David_P@...>
Subject: Re: Running FrameMaker on WINE or CrossOver Office on Linux
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:32:54 +1000

Hi Hedley

If you get XOver or Wine to work properly with Frame let me know. :-) I've fiddled a bit but must admit I surrendered a bit readily, probably because I use VMWare to run a Windows machine guest on Linux, and I run Frame and a variety of plugins that way.

I would like to get rid of it, though, and just run Linux.

regards,
David

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

From: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson <bodvar@...>
Subject: RE: Running FrameMaker on WINE or CrossOver Office on Linux
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 11:29:46 -0000

Hedley,

I have not tried this myself, but one of my workmates has, and is doing it all the time.

Regarding File Systems, when setting up your computer to multiboot between NT/XP and Linux, always set up a FAT32 partition of a good size for sharing files (File system ID 'b' IIRC).

Best regards,

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

Martin Polley

From: "Martin Polley" <martin_keren@...>
Subject: RE: Running FrameMaker on WINE or CrossOver Office on Linux
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:45:08 +0200

How?!?

Which version of Frame? Which version of Wine/Crossover Office?

Enquiring minds need to know!

TIA,

Martin Polley
Technical Communicator
(053) 864280

Martin Polley

From: "Martin Polley" <martin_keren@...>
Subject: RE: Running FrameMaker on WINE or CrossOver Office on Linux
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:48:07 +0200

Hi Hedley,

I have tried FM on Wine and Crossover Office (but not the latest version). Under Wine, I the install stuck part way through. Under Crossover Office, FM installed OK, and would even start up, but it would hang when closing any dialog box.

However, there was a thread on the cxoffice discuss mailing list recently where various parties discussed the feasilbilty of paying Codeweavers to add support for Frame to Crossover Office.

The relevant thread starts here:

http://crossover.codeweavers.com/pipermail/discuss/2003-July/004516.html

HTH,

Martin Polley
Technical Communicator
(053) 864280

Oleg Paraschenko

From: "Oleg A. Paraschenko" <olpa@...>
Subject: Re: Running FrameMaker on WINE or CrossOver Office on Linux
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:26:41 +0400

Hello Hedley,

On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 09:30:08 +1000
hedley_finger@... wrote:

All:

Has anybody tried running FrameMaker on WINE

Some time ago I tried to use FrameMaker on WINE, but wuthout success. Yes, I was able to type some text and generate PostScripts, but I found that FM was very unstable. So I switched to VMWARE (virtual computer emulator).

Regards, Oleg

Thomas Gier

From: Thomas Gier <thomas.gier@...>
Subject: Re: Running FrameMaker on WINE or CrossOver Office on Linux
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:13:27 +0200

hedley_finger@... wrote:

All:

Has anybody tried running FrameMaker on WINE or CrossOver Office? These are both Windows API emulators running on Linux that make applications think they are running in Windows.

[...]

Hi,

there's no way of running FM6 or FM7 using wine or crossover office. FM6 starts OK but crashes when you try to edit resp. save a file, FM7 refuses to work due to "Missing version number in fmres.dll" (this is the original error message). This also has been a topic on a crossover mailing list some time ago [1].

You could use VMWare instead which emulates a complete PC (including disk, RAM, parallel ports, network cards ... you name it) inside your Linux system. VMWare needs a genuine Windows CD and a well equipped PC. The more RAM you assign to VMWare the better your virtual PC works. In general FM works flawlessly with VMWare.

HTH
-- 
Thomas Gier
Technical Writer

[1] http://crossover.codeweavers.com/pipermail/discuss/2003-July/004516.html

larry.kollar

From: larry.kollar@...
Subject: Re: Running FrameMaker on WINE or CrossOver Office on Linux
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 08:56:11 -0400

I would like to switch my current home computer, a PowerMac 7300/200, to an Intel or AMD computer running Linux. Trouble is, I would need to dual boot Windows and Linux so I can continue to run FrameMaker.

Actually, you could run Linux and FrameMaker without switching computers -- put Linux on your Mac & use Mac-on-Linux to run a MacOS environment within Linux. I've done this with a G3/266, and Frame ran quite well in that setup. Since MacOS is actually doing the disk access, you don't have to worry about Linux not really understanding HFS+ and other issues.

IIRC, Yellow Dog Linux (yellowdoglinux.com) is set up to run Mac-on-Linux out of the box. As far as performance goes, I couldn't tell a significant difference between native OS9 and OS9 under Mac-on-Linux.

Email me off-list if you need help or advice.

--
Larry Kollar, Senior Technical Writer, ARRIS
"Content creators are the engine that drives
value in the information life cycle."
    -- Barry Schaeffer, on XML-Doc

Allen Schaaf

From: Allen Schaaf <techwriter@...>
Subject: Re: Running FrameMaker on WINE or CrossOver Office on Linux
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 08:59:33 -0700

At 02:26 AM 8/14/03 - Oleg A.Paraschenko wrote:

Hello Hedley,

On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 09:30:08 +1000
hedley_finger@...:

All:

Has anybody tried running FrameMaker on WINE

Some time ago I tried to use FrameMaker on WINE, but wuthout success. Yes, I was able to type some text and generate PostScripts, but I found that FM was very unstable. So I switched to VMWARE (virtual computer emulator).

Oleg,

I'm thinking of moving totally to Linux, but Frame, Acrobat, etc., have made me hesitate.

If you don't mind, what is your real world experience with running Frame on a Linux box with VMWare? What version of Frame are you running? Does it as smoothly (HA!) as it does on a W2K machine? What about the other applications?

My other choice is to go to a Mac running OS 10, but I know that you have to run Frame in some weird way when you do this.

What is your best judgement, move now or what a while longer?

Thanks for your help.

Best to you and yours,
Allen Schaaf
Information Engineering
http://techwriter.doctordoc.info/

The world is my oyster. Now if I can only
figure out where they hid the pearl....

Oleg A. Paraschenko

From: Oleg A. Paraschenko <olpa@...>
Subject: Re: Running FrameMaker on WINE or CrossOver Office on Linux
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 22:43:18 +0400

Hello Allen,

On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:00:54 -0700
Allen Schaaf <soundbyte@...> wrote:

At 02:26 AM 8/14/03, Oleg A.Paraschenko wrote:

Hello Hedley,

On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 09:30:08 +1000
hedley_finger@... wrote:

All:

Has anybody tried running FrameMaker on WINE

Some time ago I tried to use FrameMaker on WINE, but wuthout success. Yes, I was able to type some text and generate PostScripts, but I found that FM was very unstable. So I switched to VMWARE (virtual computer emulator).

Oleg,

I'm thinking of moving totally to Linux, but Frame, Acrobat, etc., have made me hesitate.

If you don't mind, what is your real world experience with running Frame on a Linux box with VMWare?

Let's try.

What version of Frame are you running?

5.5, 6, 7.

Does it as smoothly (HA!) as it does on a W2K machine?

My office applications work under VMWare as smooth as under w2k.

What about the other applications?

My other choice is to go to a Mac running OS 10, but I know that

I have no experience with Mac.

you have to run Frame in some weird way (at least to a PC user) when you do this.

What is your best judgement, move now or what a while longer?

It is not a problem to try. VMWare has an evaluation license.

Below are some notes.

Performance hint: RAM of virtual machine should completely fit to free memory of real machine. On my 512 Mb machine, I add 1 Gb file swap (it is too big, but let it be so) and configure virtual machine to have 384 Mb of RAM.

Another hint: run only 32-bit applications. No MS-DOS or console tools. So w2k much faster than windows 95.

With this conditions, I see no difference between running FrameMaker under w2k or vmware/w2k.

All is stable enough. The only crashes I have are when Windows perform power-save operations.

There are problems with DirectX applications and system-hardcore tools -- they are just not working.

One of the problems is (maybe was) Adobe Acrobat (including Reader). One of security plugins detects non-standard mode of system and closes Acrobat. The simplest way to solve the problem is to delete this plugin. I hope it is not a violation DMCA.

Sometimes I need plain w2k without vmware. So I have dual-boot workstation and configured vmware to use already installed w2k. In w2k itself, I created two profiles: one profile to run under vmware and another profile to run under vmware. Profiles differ in hardware, ip and other settings.

Thanks for your help.

I hope my remarks make sense.

Best to you and yours,
Allen Schaaf
Information Engineering
http://techwriter.doctordoc.info/

The world is my oyster. Now if I can only
figure out where they hid the pearl....


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Why not Windows 98?

From: Russel Winder <member@...> 
To: <adobe.framemaker@adobeforums...>
Subject: re: FrameMaker and Wine on Linux
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 08:29:57 -0800

A new message was posted by Russel Winder in

FrameMaker -- FrameMaker and Wine on Linux.

Windoze 98 seems to be running fine under VMWare, what makes you say use only Win2K? (The previous advice I had from others was to use Windoze 98 as it was much more lightweight that Win2K -- Also I would have to buy Win2K and Micro$oft appear to only allow people to sell WinXP now.

Maybe now something is changed, but a time ago, due to features of VMWare emulation, 32-bit windows applications were running as fast as without VMWare, and 16-bit applications were very slow. Win2K is mostly 32-bit and runs ok, win 98 is partially 16-bit and runs slow. There are reports that Win XP runs well under VMWare, but as far as I know it is not very compatible with Frame.


http://uucode.com/texts/fmunderwine/fmundervmware.html
Oleg A. Paraschenko <olpa uucode com>